Comments on: Obama’s Missing Backbone http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/ Eitan's Pitch Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:19:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Maxo http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1851 Maxo Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:23:41 +0000 http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1851 I am glad Nader is in the race again too. I will not be voting for him for the first time since I've been allowed to vote, but I enjoy his honesty and how upfront he is on issues. He brings up points that are not politically expediant, and thus would never be talked about. I am glad Nader is in the race again too. I will not be voting for him for the first time since I’ve been allowed to vote, but I enjoy his honesty and how upfront he is on issues. He brings up points that are not politically expediant, and thus would never be talked about.

]]> By: Eitan http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1847 Eitan Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:53:33 +0000 http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1847 Hey Amit! Yeah, I have mixed feelings about that too. Nader's idealistic principles didn't get us very far the first time around. I am happy that he is contributing to the debate and not letting the democratic candidate just look good next to a neocons, but seriously challenge him/her from the progressive end. The truth is that any candidate will only be challenged from the perspective of what their rival has to offer. It would be very easy for Obama to pitch a compromised health care policy because it looks good in contrast to McCain's. Clinton/Obama will have to sweat and try a bit harder when someone like Nader advocates for a single-payer health care system. I don't care much about voting for Nader myself, but if he stays vocal up to the last moment, I think it would be very important. I would even consider contributing to his campaign just for that. When the moment of truth comes, I think he should step down, and say "This is what it could have been about". Hey Amit!

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about that too. Nader’s idealistic principles didn’t get us very far the first time around.

I am happy that he is contributing to the debate and not letting the democratic candidate just look good next to a neocons, but seriously challenge him/her from the progressive end.

The truth is that any candidate will only be challenged from the perspective of what their rival has to offer. It would be very easy for Obama to pitch a compromised health care policy because it looks good in contrast to McCain’s. Clinton/Obama will have to sweat and try a bit harder when someone like Nader advocates for a single-payer health care system.

I don’t care much about voting for Nader myself, but if he stays vocal up to the last moment, I think it would be very important. I would even consider contributing to his campaign just for that.

When the moment of truth comes, I think he should step down, and say “This is what it could have been about”.

]]> By: Amit http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1844 Amit Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:14:57 +0000 http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1844 Being of the flower-sniffing nuclear-bomb-hating left myself, I'm still wary of Nader. I'm afraid all he'll do is steal votes from the Democratic candidate and make him or her lose - which would be good for nobody, the flower-sniffing left included. Sometimes compromises have to be made in the stupid American election system, and this just happens to be one of them - so go Obama! Being of the flower-sniffing nuclear-bomb-hating left myself, I’m still wary of Nader. I’m afraid all he’ll do is steal votes from the Democratic candidate and make him or her lose - which would be good for nobody, the flower-sniffing left included.
Sometimes compromises have to be made in the stupid American election system, and this just happens to be one of them - so go Obama!

]]> By: Eitan http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1840 Eitan Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:14:48 +0000 http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1840 Point well taken, oob. I should have put that term in quotes. It is the pretension of every U.S. President since World War 2, and it has never been more of a parody since the last administration. Point well taken, oob. I should have put that term in quotes. It is the pretension of every U.S. President since World War 2, and it has never been more of a parody since the last administration.

]]> By: oob http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1839 oob Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:33:09 +0000 http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1839 <I>..would hope the next leader of the free world..</I> The arrogance behind this term displays the rampant jingoism and sheer ignorance of everyday Americans. I live in the free world Eitan. America is most certainly not a part of it. ..would hope the next leader of the free world..

The arrogance behind this term displays the rampant jingoism and sheer ignorance of everyday Americans.

I live in the free world Eitan. America is most certainly not a part of it.

]]> By: Sean http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1833 Sean Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:10:58 +0000 http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1833 He isn't calling it out because he, as he keeps saying, doesn't believe that politics should be about telling everybody how much your opponent sucks. Everybody fucking knows how lame it is that Hillary's campaign tried to use Islam as an attack. It's been all over the news, with every reporter saying how low that was. And those same reporters are applauding Obama for taking it in stride and not turning it into an attack. He knows he doesn't need to tell us how low that was. He isn’t calling it out because he, as he keeps saying, doesn’t believe that politics should be about telling everybody how much your opponent sucks. Everybody fucking knows how lame it is that Hillary’s campaign tried to use Islam as an attack. It’s been all over the news, with every reporter saying how low that was.

And those same reporters are applauding Obama for taking it in stride and not turning it into an attack. He knows he doesn’t need to tell us how low that was.

]]> By: Eitan http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1827 Eitan Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:16:11 +0000 http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1827 Julien, Anti-Muslim sentiments astound me because it is a rising form of bigotry. How common were these sentiments in 1995? Sometimes it feels like we are devolving. I hope we will one day look at this era and laugh, just like we laugh today at the red scare. Wiseman, Anti-Muslim sentiments in this country go much deeper than just religion. Obama, with the middle name of Hussein is a perfect scapegoat for such hatred and Xenophobia. He has not taken any leadership in dispelling such prejudice. Julien,
Anti-Muslim sentiments astound me because it is a rising form of bigotry. How common were these sentiments in 1995? Sometimes it feels like we are devolving. I hope we will one day look at this era and laugh, just like we laugh today at the red scare.

Wiseman,
Anti-Muslim sentiments in this country go much deeper than just religion. Obama, with the middle name of Hussein is a perfect scapegoat for such hatred and Xenophobia. He has not taken any leadership in dispelling such prejudice.

]]> By: wiseman http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1824 wiseman Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:51:25 +0000 http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1824 Racism? Since when is a religion a race? Racism? Since when is a religion a race?

]]> By: Julien http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1820 Julien Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:49:06 +0000 http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1820 Being French, I was _very_ shocked by the following sentence found on Obama's website: "Barack has never been a Muslim or practiced any other faith besides Christianity". I may be wrong but it makes me thinks of times where it was considered a very bad thing to be a communist, or a homosexual. And, on the subject, I have always found it very suprising that a country which claims to be #1 in term on freedom has always tried to impose a national line of thought on its citizens: communists are evil, homosexuals are evil, and now Muslims are evil. Being French, I was _very_ shocked by the following sentence found on Obama’s website: “Barack has never been a Muslim or practiced any other faith besides Christianity”.

I may be wrong but it makes me thinks of times where it was considered a very bad thing to be a communist, or a homosexual. And, on the subject, I have always found it very suprising that a country which claims to be #1 in term on freedom has always tried to impose a national line of thought on its citizens: communists are evil, homosexuals are evil, and now Muslims are evil.

]]> By: Eitan http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1816 Eitan Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:34:16 +0000 http://monotonous.org/2008/02/27/obamas-missing-backbone/#comment-1816 <i>So being a Muslim isn’t evil. Being a Christian is.</i> Tolerating intolerance is wrong. <i>Translations: Neocon Jews run the universe! Evil Jews. Evil!</i> Criticism of AIPAC does not translate to antisemitism. Read The Israel Lobby by Mearsheimer and Walt. <i>Sorry. all Nader entering the race did was provide new jokes to Leno and Letterman.</i> Late night shows is where it's happening. Where do you think national debates take place? blogs comments? ;) <i>Why is this on planet gnome again?</i> Is this the first non-GNOME related posting you have seen? So being a Muslim isn’t evil. Being a Christian is.

Tolerating intolerance is wrong.

Translations: Neocon Jews run the universe! Evil Jews. Evil!
Criticism of AIPAC does not translate to antisemitism. Read The Israel Lobby by Mearsheimer and Walt.

Sorry. all Nader entering the race did was provide new jokes to Leno and Letterman.
Late night shows is where it’s happening. Where do you think national debates take place? blogs comments? ;)

Why is this on planet gnome again?
Is this the first non-GNOME related posting you have seen?

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