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	<description>Eitan's Pitch</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: steve Lee</title>
		<link>http://monotonous.org/2008/10/10/debugall/comment-page-1/#comment-9097</link>
		<dc:creator>steve Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oH I've used the py2exe single exe before and it worked fine for me. Perhaps a little slow to start as it unzips each run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oH I&#8217;ve used the py2exe single exe before and it worked fine for me. Perhaps a little slow to start as it unzips each run.</p>
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		<title>By: steve Lee</title>
		<link>http://monotonous.org/2008/10/10/debugall/comment-page-1/#comment-9096</link>
		<dc:creator>steve Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh.
I was going to add that windows users expect installers to do more than install/upgrade - like add an uninstaller, update registry, add icons to start menu / desktop blah blah blah.

I was wondering why we don''t have pm on windows and I guess it largely historical. Mind you I wouldn't be so happy with MS being the repositry managers (as it's their distro) and having to deal with them for all my projects. So we're stuck with the chaos and delights like DLL hell or its big brother side-by-side. Joy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh.<br />
I was going to add that windows users expect installers to do more than install/upgrade - like add an uninstaller, update registry, add icons to start menu / desktop blah blah blah.</p>
<p>I was wondering why we don&#8221;t have pm on windows and I guess it largely historical. Mind you I wouldn&#8217;t be so happy with MS being the repositry managers (as it&#8217;s their distro) and having to deal with them for all my projects. So we&#8217;re stuck with the chaos and delights like DLL hell or its big brother side-by-side. Joy.</p>
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		<title>By: ethana2</title>
		<link>http://monotonous.org/2008/10/10/debugall/comment-page-1/#comment-9068</link>
		<dc:creator>ethana2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A comment from the idealist in me:

Just throw it all into an .exe.  If they don't want bloat, let them use an OS with real package management.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A comment from the idealist in me:</p>
<p>Just throw it all into an .exe.  If they don&#8217;t want bloat, let them use an OS with real package management.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lee</title>
		<link>http://monotonous.org/2008/10/10/debugall/comment-page-1/#comment-9066</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eitan, re deploying on win32: I use py2exe to create the stand-alone dist and then INNO setup to create a windows setup.exe. It works well - e.g see powertalk tarball where I use a cmd script to drive it all. http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/powertalk/PowerTalk-1.2.11Src.zip?download

INNO is declarative but you can script with PASCAL when needed

py2exe seems to be the best solution at the mo but there are a couple of others. It does run into occasional problems with things like pywin32 which does clever module location manipulations, but as it's python you can work around them.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eitan, re deploying on win32: I use py2exe to create the stand-alone dist and then INNO setup to create a windows setup.exe. It works well - e.g see powertalk tarball where I use a cmd script to drive it all. <a href="http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/powertalk/PowerTalk-1.2.11Src.zip?download" rel="nofollow">http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/powertalk/PowerTalk-1.2.11Src.zip?download</a></p>
<p>INNO is declarative but you can script with PASCAL when needed</p>
<p>py2exe seems to be the best solution at the mo but there are a couple of others. It does run into occasional problems with things like pywin32 which does clever module location manipulations, but as it&#8217;s python you can work around them.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Langridge</title>
		<link>http://monotonous.org/2008/10/10/debugall/comment-page-1/#comment-9065</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Langridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been trying to solve a similar oh-no-can't-depend-on-Python-being-installed Windows distribution problem recently, I should note that py2exe supports bundling everything into one single exe file, which means that your users don't have to open the zip file and run the first exe; they just download an exe and run it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been trying to solve a similar oh-no-can&#8217;t-depend-on-Python-being-installed Windows distribution problem recently, I should note that py2exe supports bundling everything into one single exe file, which means that your users don&#8217;t have to open the zip file and run the first exe; they just download an exe and run it.</p>
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